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По просьбе Not Ginger, под катом фигня, которую я себе писала про SGA.
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Сначала немного SG-1 :D
Jack: So I have this piece of intel and we probably should do this thing…
SG-1: Wait, where did you get the intel?
Jack: I um… ermm… I speak to my… dead… boyfriend...
SG-1: Wow, for real?
Jack: …yeah, all the time…
SG-1: About what?
Jack: …so you think, it’s like… normal????
Teal’c: Actually, I speak to him too.
Jack: OK HANDS OFF MY – I mean, why didn’t you tell anyone?
Teal’c: Why didn’t you?
Jack: He’s my boyfriend! I have the right to have hallucinations of my boyfriend all I like!
Jonas: Right, I’m getting sick of this – back to business!
Jack: But I still haven’t figured out why Teal’c is talking to my dead boyfriend!
Hammond: Figure it out later. Now go do whatever your dead boyfriend told you to do.
Daniel and Carter: We wanna go to Atlantis! We wanna go to Atlantis! We wanna go-
Jack: Your leashes are not long enough for another fucking galaxy!
Daniel and Carter: Oookay. General, we’re your scientists, not dogs!
Jack: I meant it in a sexy way.
Carter: Can one of us go?
Jack: And you figure I’ll allow that how?
Carter: You don’t have enough stamina, sorry, time for both of us, anyway. We feel neglected constantly.
Daniel: Yeah. I’m this close to finding a girlfriend.
Jack: Girlfriend??? That’s it, drop your pants -
Hammond: Okay, I don’t have to witness this. Get your bag, Daniel, we’re going to Atlantis.
Daniel: Yay!!!
Carter: *sigh* Does it mean I’ll be dropping the pants now?
Daniel: Rejoice! The days of neglect are over for you! Ok, bye, I’m off – either to Atlantis or to find myself a girlfriend, who knows, so many possibilities now when the leash is gone!
Carter: prepares to drop the pants
Jack: Oh, get lost, I’m not in the mood.
Carter: What, it only works for you when one of us is there to watch or something?
/// Didn’t initially want to watch S9-10 of cos of the team change, but okay, it’s basically a Farscape crossover now. :D Vala and Mitchell aren’t some new characters I gotta get used to, they’re Chrichton and Aeryn and I used to like them and ship them af, so I’ve no problem with them. :D Kinda not a fan of Daniel/Vala, both cos Daniel is still Jack’s and Vala, in my mind, is supposed to be Mitchell’s, but overall, the show actually got better from s7-8, when the narrative was stagnating all over the place.
Oh, and Claudia Black brought Farscape aliens along with her. XD
/// Probably how it goes all the time. XD
SG-1 team: Ok, we lost Daniel.
Jack: *sigh* Lost as in, dead? Captured? Disappeared?
SG-1 team: …yes?
Jack: Right. Anyway...
No one’s even bothered anymore when Daniel goes missing and maybe dies – eh, moving on, he’ll show up sooner or later. XD Idk even, if that’s belief he can’t stay dead or away from SGC, or is everyone tired of going through grief and worry about him and are ‘ugh whatever’ at this point. XD
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/// Tried reading some Sheppard/Rodney, since I can see the possibility, but woah, absolutely unsexy. XD Idk if it’s about the characters or about the general vibe of Atlantis, but there’s like, more sexual tension in a scene where a draft ruffles Jack’s hair and he knows it’s his dead bff Daniel, than in a whole well-written sex scene with McShep. XD
/// S3 of Atlantis and I actually started to see the epic McShep pairing. Somewhat. They do have a slashy dynamic.
Who don’t have any dynamic at all are Sheppard and Weir – the genre dictates they should be hinted at and have enough scenes together with enough sexual tension to pander to the ‘will they-won’t they’ trope, but it’s really not working there. Like, I see Jack/Carter, they have good chemistry and that’s a proper example of het teasing. Sheppard/Weir is just meh.
/// I like how in a lot of fics, when it comes to McShep, there seems to be no reflection at all on Sheppard’s side and deeply insecure but not very emotionally rich pining on Rodney’s side, and then, wham, they’re fucking cos why not? XD Also they’re both written completely unable of flirting/seducing/emotional manipulation or even expression of feelings at all, but also openly needy when they finally get to the point. And the porn is basically ‘wanna fuck me? please fuck me! or I can fuck you, I’d really love to! – oh whatever, as long as there’s fucking!’ XD Oh and when the porn is delayed and the author tries to write some slow burn, it just turns into confused and awkward anxiety on both sides. I mean, normally, slow burn’s written as languid half-painful half-sweet agonizing desire or emotional need, and in this case, it’s like… computers glitching. XD
/// SG-1 as a team, is like, gung-ho ‘let’s do it!’
In SGA, Ronon is ‘just do it’, Teyla is ‘we must do it’, Sheppard is ‘I’d rather not do it but fine’, and Rodney is simultaneously ‘but why should I do it?!’and ‘only I am competent to do it!’ XD
/// Two socially inept idiots. XD
Rod: You don’t care that people don’t like you.
Rodney, scandilised: People don’t like me??John: I don’t have…
Teyla: …friends?
John, scandilised: I have friends!
/// XD
Rodney: Where’s Sheppard?
Ronon: On a field trip with a sexy astrobiologist.
Rodney: :((((((
Sheppard, looking at Rodney flirt with Jennifer: Think he’s gonna make a move?
Ronon: Idgaf.
Sheppard: :((((((
I mean, were the writers trying to frame it as competition and both wanting to get some girl and being mad the other might actually do it? Cos it really doesn’t read that way, and just looks like they’re being jealous.
/// So, when everyone was evicted from Atlantis back to Earth and when Rodney says he’s lonely, Sheppard immediately assumes Rodney’s missing him (which yeah, since Rodney’s calling him to talk about this and that and then makes sad a face when Sheppard hangs up). And Sheppard himself bitches about going offworld with the ‘best and brightest of them’, so it’s in fact he who’s missing Rodney, his sarcasm aside. I’m guessing, for both of them, it’s about meeting someone just as clever, just as rude, sarcastic and antisocial, and who’s on the same level of infantile dumbassery. (Actually, their very first dynamic establishing scene, where Sheppard pushes Rodney off the balcony, both of them being super excited about it – that’s basically all you need to know about each of them and them as a pair.) (Also, I suspect whatever arrogant shit Rodney’s saying and however smug he gets – that’s what Sheppard feels about himself as well but doesn’t express. XD)
/// The ep with the crystal life form that jumps dreams and kills from subconscious,
Rodney after being in his own and Sheppard’s dreams: I thought there would be more hot girls!
Sheppard: Yeah!
What hot girls, you idiots, it’s just nightmares, Atlantis, and you two. XD
/// [Fic plot] But what I have a problem with, is the outsider character ‘protecting’ Rodney from Sheppard and Weir and their unreasonable demands and treatments that have Rodney acting an errand boy rather than Head of Science department. Kinda turns the former into assholes and Rodney into a woobie, which is ooc. Rodney is more than capable fending off menial tasks and idiotic demands, and neither Sheppard nor Weir would bother him unless it was vital. I’m pretty sure whatever Rodney’s doing in Atlantis, he’s doing because it’s interesting to him or because he knows it’s essential (and he knows exactly what that is).
Is the whole place a clusterfuck? Yeah. Do I find it odd that the genius scientist running the whole alien city is going out on often pretty idiotic missions (along with the CO of Atlantis, by the way)? Yep. But it’s apparently how this whole shitshow functions, being ‘on the cutting edge of fucking about’ and having posed itself on the frontline of a galactic war, and moreso, if Rodney wanted to stay in a lab, safe and unbothered by anyone, running experiments, he wouldn’t be in Atlantis in the first place. Trying to present it some other way to promote his importance and demonstrate undervalued-ness is actually insulting to his character and its development. Also, of course all of the head staff has psychological issues, neuroses and some extremely unhealthy coping mechanisms. It’s why they’re head staff in another galaxy and it’s why they make it work. You can’t run a successful outpost mission in a hostile territory and handle one disaster after another if you’re mentally completely well – you have to be hyper-responsible to the point of needing to do everything yourself, you have to be a workaholic who don’t know what sleep is, you have to be willing to go on suicidal missions and sacrifice yourself for a greater good, etc etc. It’s not a regular military base where Earth standards of conduct are benefitial, it’s a perpetual freefall and needs constant situational adjustments and with it, non-standard approach.
/// There are more misplaced and less misplaced people in Atlantis. I.e., those for whom Atlantis is a career point, and those who literally can’t function elsewhere. Elizabeth, Sheppard and Rodney (Carson, noo?) could only live up to ther full potential in Atlantis. They’re absolutely useless on Earth, undervalued, underutilized, shuffled out of the way, frowned upon and only aggravating everyone around them.They know very well they’ve never belonged on Earth and never will, that they’re dysfunctional and unwanted anywhere but Atlantis and Pegasus. But people like Zelenka, Jenniffer, Lorne – to different degrees they can be okay elsewhere, make careers, friends, have families. Some maybe less than others, but in essence, they’re transferable and employable and can have fulfilling lives if taken out of Atlantis.
/// So, considering SGA-1 team is modeled after SG-1 team, SGA seems unsure who Rodney equates to, Sam or Daniel. XD I mean, Sheppard = Jack, that’s default. Ronon = Teal’c, they’ve paired them up as such in canon. But then, Teyla should be Daniel, the negotiator of the team with the cultural knowledge and a serene mindset, and Rodney should be Sam, the brilliant physicist who deals with all shit technical and occasionally shoots a gun when needed – these two get paired off from the start and this equation persists later too. But then the show also (and pointedly, like it’s been with Ronon and Teal’c) paired up Daniel and Rodney – likely to insist Teyla is a Sam equivalent when it comes to the question of canon het pairings. What they ended up with, though, are really mixed impression, and Rodney ended up being Sam and Daniel rolled into one. XD
/// There’s a lot of quasi-familial-ness in SG-1. Daniel really reads a substitute son figure for Jack sometimes and I suspect Jack has an idea about it. And then there’s the whole set of Mitchell, Daniel and Carter treating Jack as a father-figure (I mean, they do) (also, the canon points out specifically that Daniel and Mitchell look very much alike and they do behave like brothers a lot, with Carter as their sister). Oh, and Hammod probably posed as a father figure for Jack himself. Only Teal’c and Vala are not in this circle jerk, although I’m not so sure about Vala. XD (Cos she’s hella traumatized and must be subconsciously searching not only for romantic and sibling connection, but parental as well – maybe Landry can be her father-figure. XD) (Oh, wait, Teal’c father-figure is Bra’tak, but at least that one is outside of SGC. XD)
Not sure what’s up with SGA in this regard – there are no older/younger people dynamic, it all at best has older/younger siblings vibe. Tho Sheppard clearly needs normal parental figures in his life – maybe Elizabeth and Teyla in turns sort of count as ‘mom friends’, at least. (And Jack would SO be his father-figure if he was around.) (Woolsey is… an unfun uncle? XD)
(Oh yeah, that’s also a footnote to my previous post about 90s vs 00s vibes – all of the Atlantis expedition are peers in their 30-40s, all of them are clearly maladjusted on Earth, either they wouldn’t volunteer for that mission, all of them need adequate parental/authority figures (and their actual authority figures – Weir, Sheppard, Rodney, Woolsey – are all in the desperate need of psychotherapy themselves). Maybe being in Atlantis and away from Earth on itself substitues for that, sort of, and they manage with just sibling bonds and willy-nilly assigned parental roles. I mean, I guess it works, but by s5 all of them could still do with hours of councelling, so.)
/// There are instances about mid-show when Sheppard is like ‘I have friends... maybe even McKay is a friend’ and ‘I would risk my life for any of you, maybe even Rodney’. (I mean, that goes real well with them racing toy cars and spending all their free time playing alien RPG, and Sheppard risking his life indeed for Rodney whenever possible and going super panicky when there’s nothing he can do.) In the same time, Sheppard has no problem being all touchy-feely (well, what substitutes that for Sheppard))) with everyone else. I.e., looks exactly like the case of ‘the lady doth protest too much’. Was it an attempt to show their ‘vitriolic bffs’/’odd couple’/’reluctant teamwork’ dynamic? Cos it didn’t really work – you have to maintain the levels of bickering and poking for it to work, and the show is very uneven about it, dropping it entirely sometime, or taking it into a too intense unfunny zone, or making it one-sided, etc. Which can be rather jarring – cos you expect certain behaviour but something completely different pops up and ruins seemingly consistent characterisation. (Of course, if you just assume, like, Sheppard and Rodney are desperately in love and in denial and terefore highly erratic, irrational and all over the place with their emotions like idiot teenagers – then yeah, I guess it works. XD)
/// Okay, here’s how an average SGA ep goes:
McShep: squabbling and insulting each other and being incredibly annoying
Rodney: Hey, wait! There’s some interesting shit down there!
Sheppard: Cool, let’s go!
Elizabeth: Now wait a second, is it dangerous interesting shit?
Sheppard: Of course, it’s part of the- I mean, we’ll be fine.
Elizabeth: Are you sure?
Rodney: We’re doing scientific research, it’s why we came to Pegasus in the first place!
Sheppard: *thumbs up* *nodding along* *great speech 10/10*
Elizabeth: You just want to fuck about.
Rodney: Well, naturally- I mean, it’s very scientific.
Sheppard: Absolutely. And it’s totally safe.
Elizabeth: …I’ll have a rescue team on standby.
everything goes tits up
Rodney: Well don’t look at me, it’s not my fault!
Sheppard: I don’t care whose fault it is, fix it now!
Elizabeth: Rescue team, go rescue these idiots!
Sheppard: We’re fine!
Rodney: Just a minor – ok, hold on, it’s a very very massive problem now! Totally come rescue us!
rescue team spectacularly failing with its task
Rodney: Great, now I have to save ten more people!
Sheppard: You’re loving it.
Rodney: Make yourself useful and do something suicidally heroic, why don’t you?
Sheppard: Sure.
Rodney: Hey, I didn’t mean literally!
*explosions, general mayhem, more stuff gets fucked up*
Elizabeth: …Is anyone still alive there?
Sheppard: Of course, I told you it was completely safe.
Rodney: You’d be dead without me ten times over.
Sheppard: Yeah yeah, you’re a genius, we know.
McShep: back to squabbling and insulting each other and being incredibly annoying
Elizabeth: *sigh*
I mean, I like how McShep is so on the same page about doing something reckless and idiotic just cos it’s cool. XD And their record with it is incredibly not good but it never stops them – and Sheppard’s arrogance in this regard is as bad as Rodney’s. And they both feel guilty when as the result they hurt yet more people, but again, the guilt doesn’t stop them, just makes them do even crazier shit.
/// Why did SGA never try to give Sheppard a pairing apart from a flimsy will they-won’t they with Elizabeth and flirting with ascended chicks? :) With Jack it’s more or less clear – the trauma of losing his son and a divorce, Carter’s under regulations, and Jack himself is middle-aged and jaded and keeping people away from himself. What’s Sheppard problem, tho? He’s young, pretty, his divorce wasn’t that traumatic, he’s antisocial but not completely so, and he could actually ask Elizabeth out and bang her happily until the Replicators, but nope. Is it commitment issues and belief he won’t be able to make it work? Low self esteem and inability to grasp someone can actually love him and value him on the long run?
/// On a side-note, if we’re talking fic characterization, I think Sheppard needs someone to love him and Rodney needs someone to love. I.e., Sheppard’s a deeply damaged individual with some enormous guilt/hero complex and thinking he’s unwanted and that he can be redeemed by sacrificing himself for the greater good. He doesn’t expect someone can love him unconditionally (he knows he’s hot and can get sex any time he wants, but love is another matter entirely) and put him above all else (yeah, likely mommy/daddy issues), and for many people it means seeking conditioned love by being useful (what Rodney does?), but Sheppard thinks he’s already lost that game and the most he can do is die while saving lives of more worthy people. Rodney, on the other hand, has been rejected so often and so categorically, that for him, I suspect, would therapeutic to be allowed to love. Which is actually a pretty questionable experience and he’s aware of it and aware his personality overall is difficult and drives people away, so if he could be… welcome, with all his faults – that’d be great for him. I mean, the reverse for both of them is also as important and necessary, but the first impulse and improvement would be the according love/let love.
(I’m also deeply skeptical about Rodney/Jennifer which origins I don’t actually understand (well, apart from the obligatory romance quota). Jennifer’s not damaged enough to appreciate Rodney’s brand of fucked up and is waaaay too young for him (is it 15 years difference?), they have nothing in common, and for Rodney it was likely the case of ‘ooh, pretty blonde girl, not too stupid’ and ‘she’s not outright rejecting me wow!’ which he would of course immediately mistake for undying love, and for her… idk, likey some caretaker impulse (given she’s a doctor and he’s needy and likes to whine) and finding Rodney pretty entertaining and smart (given she’s also on the genius side). Is there any sort of substance behind it all? I mean, yeah, can be said it’s how relationship work most of the time – you find someone who likes you and make it work, but I kinda see Rodney’s colorful character getting tiresome for her eventually, which would make her edge away and search for something more balanced.)
(I mean, at least Sheppard/Elizabeth made some sense, as an in-canon ‘will they-won’t they’ pairing if not as a functional relationship. They both were of the same age, same intellectual level, same cultural background, same goals and problems, they understood each other and helped each other out along the way. They were also way too focused on Atlantis and doing the right thing, and in this pair, Elizabeth wouldn’t be the one to love and it would be up to Sheppard to make an effort, breach the gap and morally support her every second of every day, and since Sheppard has no social skills and no sense he can be important to someone, and since he’s not actually searching even for a conditioned love (and Elizabeth’s would be a very conditioned love) – yeah, they could never work out.)
/// So, Sheppard generally takes his friends dying with stoic depression. Even when Elizabeth dies, it was at first ‘nope, didn’t see her dead’ and then ‘okay, guess she’s dead, I’ve sent all her stuff back to Earth’ – TV tropes indicated he’s never got over it and remained desperately unhappy, but… I haven’t caught that at all? On the other hand, when he thinks the crystal psycho entity kills Rodney, Sheppard (in a dream, but it’s directly reflective of his state) is wandering Atlantis corridors looking like he can’t comprehend what the fuck has happened and what happens next and how to cope altogether.
Oh, and about said crystal entity. Why the fuck would it want to kill any humans? It’s an inert life-form that shouldn’t even get the concept of human psyche and driving someone to suicide. What would it benefit from it? Why would it even want to get inside a human brain? I guess if it was up to me I’d explain it as the entity imprinting on the initial carrier (sorta like in Jack’s case?) and acting based on their subconscious tendencies. Which with Sheppard is suppressed aggression tightly linked to self-hatred and self-destruction. Hence the ‘I can’t control someone’s dreams’ refrain – he can’t, but it’s what he wants, perversedly. He wants more guilt and more evidence he’s evil and deserves to die. Which is why he’s fighting his evil self in the end and letting it kill him. And interesting that it’s Rodney’s death that wrecks him, and Rodney’s role to bring him out of the nightmare. (Noting in the process there’s no hot chicks in Sheppard’s subconscious, why is that??? XD)
Also,
Screaming that in SGA s5e15 Woolsey’s hallucination is “a nice woman wants to watch a movie with me,” McKay’s is “Zelenka tells me I’m brilliant” and Sheppard’s is ”my enemy I thought was dead turns out to be still alive, and he ties me to a tree, beats me up, humiliates me, and has his soldiers cut my hand off”
Woolsey just wants company (normal), Rodney wants validation (pretty normal), and Sheppard wants to be punished (okay, not normal at all, wtf Sheppard).
/// So, when hologoram!Rodney is telling about the future that really really sucks and obviously needs to be changed, the moment Rodney mentions he got together with Jennifer and it was nice, Sheppard halts, makes an incredibly tormented mug, and offers to leave everything as is. Just cos Rodney got the girl. I mean. People are dead, Sheppard. All your friends and all the innocent civillians you’re very eager to protect. You’re about to die as well. But nope, Rodney’s personal happiness is more important than any of that. Even tho said personal happiness seems to be hurting you beyond words. Very heterosexual, much straight, yep.
/// Like, SG has Sheppard as the most distinct Ancient descendant and doesn’t make Ancients pointy-eared elf-like douchebags with gorgeous hair and interestingly coloured eyes??? XD
Also, that would be right up SG’s street with Earth mythology turned into aliens! What a waiste of an opportunity. XD
/// Whenever Rodney says something with innuendo unwittingly (like his toy car’s shaft needing lubrication, or penetrating Replicators’ city) Sheppard always picks up on it and sideyes him real hard. XD As if, you know, he’s already thinking about sex and what for Rodney isn’t at all sex-related, for Sheppard immediately is. So, either Sheppard is really permanently blue-balled or hanging out with Rodney gets him in the mood. XD
/// So, in Shrine, whenever Rodney feels lost and scared in the laters stages of his space alzheimers, he screams and searches for Sheppard. That’s a very deep-seated and suppressed reaction – an instinctive by then knowledge ‘I’ll be safe with John’ and also an instinctive need for comfort and that comfort lies with Sheppard for him (out of all people he’d ever known – because he’s not lucid enough to know who’s there and who isn’t).
His more superficial and immediate reaction when loosening up is to flirt with Jennifer, of course (niceness being an interesting side-effect of getting stupider btw). It might be said that underneath the outer spiky shell Rodney is actually nice and fluffy and pretty charming, but that also meant that he was losing memories and IQ points and that for Keller to really like Rodney, he had to change and be dumbed-down slightly. I seriously do not understand how the authors figured it’s a good basis for a pairing and why would the audience buy it.
/// Oh, also, a difference between SG-1 and SGA:
SG-1 characters come and fit right away. It’s like they’ve knows each other for ages from the beginning, it’s a family unit from the get-go, they’re comfy with each other, they’re established as characters and as a team and as separate couples, they fit with their newly sci-fi world, even. More than that, they’re all likeable people who are easy and willing to get along, to belong, to work together.
SGA characters, on the other hand, come in a tight zip format, awkward with each other, trying to adjust, trying to take in the new environment, and then, as they learn all of it, they unfold, fitting against each other’s gaps and bumps, filling their surroundings and roles. And they’re not really likable, they don’t really want to be working together and belonging to each other, so it takes time for them to like each other and make a team, and for the audience to like them. (And it’s not just Rodney.)
(Actually, I think the only character who doesn’t unfold is Elizabeth? She’s pretty much the same and having the same relationships with everyone in her first ep and in her last. Characters have relationships at her, so to speak, their perception and behavior changes regarding her, but Elizabeth remains the same. Which is likely why I never really liked or disliked her, she’s just.. ok. And I mean, even Woolsey, who’s there just cos there should be an administrator, unfolds enough within one season.)/// Also, Sheppard comes across (or would want to come across) as an infantile slacker with an anti-authority attitude, laid-back, personable if a bit self-satisfied, just there to do the bare minimum, and like a bit of a hot dumb frat boy. He mostly succeeds, actually, but there’s still something dark lurking underneath the constructed façade.
Also also, that crystal life form Sheppard tells real Sheppard that he’s the only thing Sheppard’s afraid of – so, Sheppard’s afraid of his dark side and what he’s capable of, and he pushes it all down and tries to be the façade he came up with, but that’s really difficult when you’re a military officer. He liked it in Antarctica cos there wasn’t anything that could go wrong or lead him to making choices (plus the lack of people and personal connections he could make and then inevitably fuck up). Plus, the military itself provides a no-choice structure – he only has to obey commands to be not responsible. And yet, he always disobeys and always gets himself into situations where he has to make a choice (he does coin flipping for Atlantis when the military fails to order him and yeah, I can bet he ignored whatever he got).
(So, daddy issues – being pushed into a pre-planned and pre-arranged life he didn’t want, and mindfucked into feeling guilty for letting his father down (the need to disobey and learned inaction), and yet he chose the career that couldn’t be the farthest from his father’s wishes but has the same structure of obedience and control. So, he just followed the installed pattern, making it his comfort zone: being ordered – disobeying – making choices – feeling guilty when the choices are wrong (and refusing to make choices altogether when the previous cycle was a bit too rough).
And while all of it is more or less intuitively perceptible about Sheppard, it’s not really clear, what made Rodney such a jerk – that could go much better and make him Rod.
Kinda looks like his attitude is just bristles and self-protection and he uses his intellect for it in a way too heavy-handed way. Like, he was bullided as a kid and maybe his parents (father, specifically?) were never on his side and never tried to give him solutions for communication problems, concentrating on his intellect and assigning the most value to it, pushing him for results and removing from social interactions (especially since genius baby Rodney would’ve been bored with peers). But since Rodney’s not a sociopath, he wants human connection and friends and be valued as a human being and not a walking physics manual, and he wants to be better and snap out of the comfort zone shitty behavior, but it’s hard and makes him feel way too vulnerable and inadequate.
Also, it’s Sheppard by whom he wants to do right the most. After he destroys the solar system Sheppard is so pissed off with him and tells him doesn’t trust him – as if it’s the first time Rodney’s let someone down. (And btw, it’s Sheppard who he puts into a special category of ‘we have a habit of saving each other’s lives’, as if no one else on the team saved Rodney’s life and he hasn’t saved theirs.) Sheppard makes him want to be better, braver, try harder, he wants to be someone Sheppard respects and calls his friend. And Rodney doesn’t really trust and rely on anyone – except for Sheppard. (Curiously, Carter, who he considers to be the only person smarter than him and hallucinates in the drowning jumper for help, doesn’t help at all, because he doesn’t trust her and doesn’t listen to her. His subconscious is set for a failure there, he already knows he’s going to die and Carter is there to like, expedite it and prettify his last minutes alive.)
/// In the ep where they blow up the Midway Station – when Sheppard supposedly dies, the command is authomatically assumed by Rodney, by his initiative. I mean, there are surviving marines and Dr Lee is supposedly in the same scientific rank as Rodney, but I guess being on a Gate Team-1, SG or SGA, means superiority. :) And it also shows Rodney’s ability to handle incredibly bad situations – from his perspective, he’s just killed his best friend (and not even for that a great reason), the station is about to blow up, there can be more surprise Wraith onboard, SGC on Earth is probably seized, but he just assumes responisbility, makes sure everyone gets to the jumper safely, and has enough wits on him to notice there’s something odd about the spacesuit. It’s not even ‘works well under stress’, it’s a direct correlation between working well and being stressed – the worse a situation is, the better Rodney handles it – but provided he has people under his protection.
/// All the au fics when it’s canon characterisation but in where Rodney and Sheppard are shown to be not in charge in some way – like, being ‘one of’ in SGC system, working somewhere in the private sector in mid-positions etc, read vaguely wrong. Not cos they’re destined to be leaders but because being leaders is essential for their character development. Sheppard needs to be making decisions and be always engaged, Rodney needs the responsibility and people directly affected by his choices – because otherwise, they stick with their worst qualities and stagnate. I mean, not everything is about the magical influence of friendship or romantic love – some of it, yeah, like learning to trust other people and developing healthy emotional responses, but I suspect that part is secondary for McShep and evolution of their characters. You have to have a foundation first, and for them it’s being entrusted with a couple of galaxies to protect. They need a grand purpose and a worthwhile goal – something that would suit the true expanse of their personalities and abilities, and anything less than that is like using radiotelescopes to spy on your neighbours. (But yeah, okay, if aus imply different personalities to go with different settings, like canon does it, then yeah, they can be whoever.)
/// For some reason when writing commentary or meta, almost everyone addresses McShep as ‘Rodney’ and ‘Sheppard’. ‘Rodney’ and ‘John’ is also common, on occasion it’s ‘Sheppard’ and ‘McKay’, but I’ve never seen ‘John’ and ‘McKay’, that’s just weird af. :) I guess it’s about the way they address each other – plenty of characters call Sheppard John in canon, but Rodney usually calls him Sheppard, unless it’s a life and death situation, and Sheppard usually uses ‘Rodney’ (unless it’s a life and death situation :D), so it just sticks with the audience. :)
Also, about life and death situations and McShep hiding their real feelings – Rodney does it by the means of being always as nasty as he can, using words as a hedhehog uses its needles. Sheppard does it by being charming and personable – like a chameleon uses its mimicry. Rodney repels people before they get too close and under his skin. Sheppard attracts and keeps people at the meaningless friendly distance. They both immediately and completely disregard this about each other – Rodney doesn’t even see Sheppard’s tactics and outright dismisses the charm, Sheppard doesn’t get hurt by Rodney’s needles and I guess just finds them to be tickly in a funny way. XD
/// And another bit of pairing characterization I’d implement.
So, as I said, Sheppard makes Rodney a better man. Because Rodney knows he’s deeply flawed and not that great of a person, but being exposed to Sheppard slowly but surely changes that. Rodney wants and needs Sheppard’s approval and appreciation – he wants to be the man who Sheppard would call his friend. Sheppard makes him selfless, brave, makes him think faster, do more, think about consequences, strive and match Sheppard’s moral ideal. Sheppard doesn’t want him to be ‘nice’ (like Jennifer), doesn’t even demand Rodney to change, he just presents an image, in a general way, of what Rodney thinks a worthy man should be like, and it’s Rodney’s own job to recognize it and get there.
As for Sheppard, that his appreciation lies in the opposite corner – Rodney doesn’t expect anything of him, doesn’t project any of his ideas on Sheppard that Sheppard has to live up to. Sheppard’s used to be ‘something’ for people, something different for all of them – soldier, husband, military commander, savior, knight in a shining armor, lover, son, brother, you name it. And he’s so fucking tired of it, because he wants to fit the role, he needs to fit the role, and yet he hates to have a role in the first place. Rodney doesn’t give a fuck about roles, for Rodney, he’s just John. With Rodney, he can be himself, no acting, no pretending, no roleplay, no trying to fit and then no failing any expectations.
/// XD
Rodney: Hey, so I’ve turned Elizabeth into a Replicatior…
Sheppard: FOR FUCK’S – I fucking hate you, because if something goes wrong I will have to kill her! >:C
Rodney: Oh. Right. Sorry. :(
Elizabeth: Guys I think I have superpowers now…
Rodney & Sheppard: Cool! :D
Sheppard’s outrage and Rodney’s guilt didn’t last very long. Cool shit is happening, no time for this nonsense. XD
Oh, and Sheppard got over Rodney’s solution – and Elizabeth’s consequent self-sacrifice pretty quickly. I mean, Sheppard was really pissed off about the solar system and slapped Rodney real hard with the ‘I don’t trust you’ spiel, but like, only bitched for five seconds about Elizabeth and never held it against Rodney afterwards. Yeah, that’s the epic Sheppard/Elizabeth romance right there. *snort* What I’m willing to allow tho, is Sheppard’s priorities shifting over time and making him choose Rodney over nearly anything else. And when Rodney actually fucks up, Sheppard just blames himself. Losing people also pushes him towards both notions – killing Sumner, losing Ford, then Carson, then Elizabeth, then Dr. Heightmeyer – none of that is really his fault, but he’s knee-jerk reaction is to take the blame, and it also makes him kling onto Rodney unhealthily hard. Rodney’s actually on the same page with him about it, from the reasons to the escalation, and I’m pretty sure they’re both aware about their mutual co-dependency and both find it part-welcome and part-alarming. It’s also why I find Rodney/Jennifer laughable – Rodney’s about as fucked up as Sheppard by s5, and it makes their ability to develop any sort of meaningful connections with ‘new’ people non-existent. I mean, I can allow Rodney’s fling with Jennifer to be a desperate attempt to make distance between himself and Sheppard (re: part-alarming) (Sheppard’s solution is to pent up and distance from everybody, of course), but that’s the point – it’d be a fling, quick, brutal, doomed to fail and drive McShep even more co-dependent (re: part-welcome, and they don’t really need and want another relationship).
Also in that ep:
Carter & Co: Atlantis is in deep shit we need to cannibalize one of our ships to help them asap or else they all die!
Meanwhile, McShep & Co: Let’s go steal a ZPM from the Replicators!! :D :D
/// Mid-s1 and Rodney already drops the scientists’ sand uniform – and yeah, it’s a cinematographic choice, but it’s actually completely ic for Rodney, cos scientists’ uniform is for lab-dwelling numpties and Rodney’s an offworld-going, aliens-fighting badass now. XD
/// It’s amusing how Rodney, despite having maturity of a kindergartner, behaves like an older brother to Carson and Radek. :) He’s protective and benevolent with them (well, with Radek also insufferably annoying), and assumes a dominant position without reflection. And he doesn’t for a second regard them with a ‘they can protect me’ notion, which is exactly where the older brother vibe comes from. Sheppard, Teyla, Ronon – they can protect Rodney and Rodney’s more than willing to let them. Especially Teyla is like an older sibling with him. (Ronon’s like, a moderately scary cousin. XD) Sheppard is an equal tho – hence the selective treatment of ‘we have a habit of saving each other’s lives’ – no one else is in this category, and it’s also a unique subcategory of ‘they can protect me’, which is ‘he will protect me’.
/// When Sheppard and Ronon get beamed out of the debris of Michael’s base – Sheppard very pointedly doesn’t ask who of their team made it, just vaguely prodding for ‘what happened’ info. Cos he’s scared shitless to hear the answer he doesn’t want to hear. And only when Jennifer volunteers Rodney’s alive he looks basically dizzy with relief.
/// The sentiment I’ve never seen in fics so far, for some reason, but oh god, thank you, author!
John's actually kind of arrogant, in a sneaky, quiet way that's a lot more subtle than Rodney ever is— John accuses him of having a bad case of "in-your-face egotism." John thinks he is better than almost everybody else at almost everything;
"I knew the charm was just a sham," Rodney had said just the other day, after one of Sheppard's fits left Bruno red-faced and quite possibly teary-eyed. "You're just as much of an asshole as I am."
"Oh no," Sheppard had responded darkly, stabbing his pen furiously through the pages of his Big Book of Cryptograms. "I am much more of an asshole than you will ever be."
John is absolutely an arrogant piece of shit – I don’t understand why this isn’t utilized more as a characterization point, tbh. Yes, it’s not in-your-face in the show, nowhere near Rodney’s level, but it lurks there in such a clear way! When he talks back at his superiors, when he smirks absolutely disgustingly smugly when someone comments on his brilliance, when he puts Rodney in his place whenever he makes assumptions about John’s intelligence, when he doesn’t care for anyone’s opinion and just does what he thinks is right – John’s actually on par with Rodney when it comes to arrogance.
/// Another writer whose Sheppard I’m loving. XD
The sun plays on her curls, making them look glittery. It reminds him a little of the curtains he has in Atlantis.
/// The thing with in-universe mcshep is, everyone is very serious around them – doing a job, stressing out, making important decisions, living with all sort of loss and burdens, displaying a sense of humour and silliness that is real life compliant. And then there are these two idiots. XD They can be serious, they’re dark as fuck, they make important decisions and suffer from loss, yeah. But that aside and without being exactly comic reliefs, they manage to behave like teenage morons, making everyone around experience heavy ‘wtf’ moments all the time. XD
That’s actually partly the reason I can’t imagine them in all the pairings the canon was roping them into – because these women were all fucking serious and grown up af and mcshep is out there, existing in a parallel reality of sorts, and trying to shove them into that serious reality was really ooc and fake. It’s as if the writers didn’t entirely realise what had they done and were trying to play by the usual rulebook of het romance, and of course it looked just really weird and misplaced. And they’ve set themselves up with that uniquely idiotic behavior scene with the balcony in the very fucking beginning and had no choice to proceed with it, because it was a brilliant characterization choice – and it split the entire character pool into mcshep and ‘everyone else’ with no chance to intersect. Also, for romantic subplots, if mchsep were actual teenagers, setting them up with pscychologically mature girls could signify their own character growth and coming of age, like in YA texts. But mcshep are not teenagers, they’re in their late 30s and that’s it – this is their characters and they’re really incompatible with the regular romantic tropes. XD
/// Actually, Rodney and Sheppard both have a tendency to freeze and declare ‘we’re not doing it, too dangerous’ – but never in the same time. :D Rodney does it more often so it looks like Sheppard is constantly kicking him forwards, but Sheppard has his moments too – monumental ones. Like, when he restricted Rodney to use nanites to revive Elizabeth – and Rodney just point-black disregarded it. Amusingly, it works in reverse proportion when they’re doing something suicidal – Sheppard does it more often so it’s Rodney who has to be on the constant look-out for that, but when it’s Rodney’s turn to be self-sacrifical, it’s just as monumental as Sheppard’s refusal to act. Re: trying to feed himself to Todd and Sheppard point-blank disregarding his decision. I mean they really are perfect for each other. XD
/// Judging by the ep with the Game (everyone was surprised to find out about it) and the ep with the cars (Teyla stumbled over them by an accident), no one actually knows what mcshep are up to in their spare time and also how much of said spare time they spend together. :) Sheppard introduces everybody to golf, for example, and I suspect it’s cos Rodney doesn’t play it, so it’s not the special ‘John&Rodney’ pastime. They also don’t have separate entertainment going on – like, say, Lorne sneaks away from people to paint and Radek has his pigeons thing. Nope, the moment there’s something potentially cool, it immediately becomes ‘John&Rodney’ thing – starting with the personal shield and balconies. :) As in, Rodney activates the shield – Sheppard, come shoot me in the leg! Rodney finds the Game – Sheppard, come play with me! Rodney gets into whales – Sheppard, let me tell you everything about it! Maybe it was the same with the cars – Rodney ordered some from Earth and immediately ran to Sheppard with them. Cos it does look like this kind of shit starts with Rodney (like, say, ‘five bucks says you lose your memory first’) and Sheppard happily joins in and they never ever tell anyone about it. :) And I suppose it’s not even intentional (once the Game is out they are eager to explain it to anybody, and they play chess in public afterwards, and Rodney chases after Sheppard across Atlantis about the whales cos he’s so excited, and they invite Teyla to the car racing) – it probably just doesn’t occur to them to share with the class. :) Which results in them basically spending all their free time together while even their closest friends don’t have a clue it’s a thing.
/// When Rodney takes Lucius’s potion and makes Sheppard clean his room – Sheppard doesn’t actually act any differently about him other than the room cleaning part – and with Lucius we’ve seen how it affected people around. (And it kinda looks like Sheppard’s been exposed to potion!Rodney for a fair amount of time and it’s already ‘the longer the worse the reaction’.) Which kinda makes you think Sheppard’s default mode is already ‘liking Rodney an abnormal amount’ and the only difference is that he’s a bit more willing to be at his service. :) And I mean I’ve seen this incident on tvtropes being taken as ‘Rodney’s experementations on Sheppard are sure sexually suggestive’, but tbh, it looks like simple exercise of power – it’s Sheppard’s who’s usually pushy and demanding (in crises, grant you, but Rodney is petty enough to take it personally anyway), so Rodney turned the tables on him. So yeah, on his side, nothing sexual about this one. On Sheppard’s side, tho? Hmm. :)
/// XD
Can we all just take a moment to appreciate how hard John Sheppard flirts with alien women, but only when McKay is around? Like, whatever you hc his sexuality, he does not give one single fuck about these women. His number one goal is to keep Rodney from getting any, and I think that’s very sexy of him.
That also kinda implies Sheppard thinks Rodney can get all these chicks by just showing up. XD Rodney thinks that about Sheppard, but he’s being objective cos Sheppard’s conventionally hot, from his looks to his guns to his brains. Rodney, though? Now, he’s not conventionally anything – his looks are average, his courage is very hidden, and his intelligence is overbearing, and if anything, falling for Rodney would require getting to know him and then getting to know him even more, but that’s not the case with Sheppard. He just goes ‘okay, this physicist guy is hot!’ right away and then pines for five entire seasons. XD
/// From the previous mcshep plotbunny: he doesn’t actually have to prove anything to anyone
It’s actually the main difference between Sheppard and Rodney. Rodney’s that gifted child who was taught his worthiness as a human being lies with his achievements, so he does in fact have to prove his worth to everybody. He’s an overachiever with self-esteem issues (part over-blown part over-compensated), and when he fails, even slightly, at anything, it fills him with dread.
Sheppard, on the other hand, has already failed, from the beginning, when he disappointed his father, and it made him an underachiever. He can’t ever fit with the demands, so why even try? He doesn’t want to prove anything to anyone, so he doesn’t care for ranks, superiors’ opinions and setting goals. But he does have to live to the expectations he imposes on himself but it’s still a projection of parental expectations and subsequent punishment: if you can’t be what I want you to be, you’re not worthy to live, therefore, you should die.
In the end, Rodney’s parental mindfuckery boils down to the same thing, it’s just that he was given a cookie whenever he was brilliant, and Sheppard was punished whenever he wasn’t. So they both stay in that comfort zone, and Rodney endlessly strives to get that cookie of validation and Sheppard endlessly punishes himself for failing to be superhuman.
/// Sheppard, the dumb idiot. Rodney too, but to lesser extent.
apparently my favorite ship dynamic is a mutual “I value our relationship so deeply and care about you so much that it kind of freaks me out and I’ve decided that if you ever find this out I WILL die so I’m just going to tiptoe around this forever and that will totally work out fine (it will not)”
Cos Rodney at least states things like ‘you’re my friend’ and acts openly freaked out when Sheppard’s in danger. Sheppard tho? He tries it very hard to not let on just how important Rodney is to him. I said in one of the recent posts that they know how bad they have it, but it’s more instinctive than rational, and though Rodney knows Sheppard loves him, if he was asked to put it in words, he’d immediately begin to search for evidence and doubt his special-ness. Cos does Sheppard not love Teyla and Ronon? And is he not chronically unable to lose people? Sheppard doubts his worth as a default, that’s actually little to do with Rodney’s frankness or lack thereof – he can be on his knees, proposing and confessing his undying love, for all the good it’ll do, Sheppard will not believe it’s entirely for real. Yes, he knows Rodney loves him. But Rodney also loves hot girls, blue jell-o and math. So while on some level they do know they love each other a lot and will go out of their way to save each other and spend time together, but on the other, they have enormous self-worth issues and trust issues and openness issues, and it makes them hide the true extent of their feelings and makes them unanware how important to each other they are.
/// Technically, Rodney’s not very anti-authority, but he always meets all ranking officials with his hands in his pockets and with a very skeptical mug. XD
I mean, he obviously considers them all idiots who shouldn’t have any power over him, but then, he’s not overly defiant and it’s not like a personal philosophy, more of a general displeasure of dealing with any higher ups and their stupid demands. And it doesn’t matter if they’re military or not, either, Rodney was just as displeased with Woolsey. But when it comes to military strategy and executive decisions, he lets ranking people do that with only an occasional gripe about intellectual validity of their plans – but he does it at everyone.
Sheppard, interestingly, stops being challengingly insolent once given command of Atlantis – even though ships commanders outrank him and can order him around. Maybe cos he feels more on equal terms with them, or maybe cos actual responsibilities made him more cautious in terms of disobedience – it’s not anymore just about his life, but about hundreds lives and people he actually loves. But he definitely considers higher ups to be idiots, just like Rodney, he just doesn’t think he can be openly derisive anymore.
/// Why do so many fics have Rodney’s subordinates afraid of him? I mean, yeah, those who are really low on the food chain would be, since he’s their boss and has a really bad temper, but I had an impression the ones who work closer with him are usually a fraction away from rolling their eyes and sighing heavily every time he opens his mouth. XD Like when he berates those two idiots in Sunday, they’re visibly being ‘deliver us’ rather than ‘oh shit’. Yeah, okay, no one wants to piss him off and listen to half an hour of verbal abuse, but I don’t think it’s fear, rather, reasonable self-preservation mixed with long-suffering annoyance, and, in some cases, amusement and fondness (Radek).
/// For fic purposes:
We don’t know if Rodney’s parents were abusive, but he does say they hated each other and projected all of that on him, and then he says to Jeannie their father would want to them to work together. Which means his father was the driving force behind their intellectual development and achievements – something that Rodney was more susceptible to, taking his father as an authority figure and being very reluctant to disappoint him. (And since ‘parents hated each other’ mother, likely, didn’t like that approach and maybe stole Jeannie from under the influence but couldn’t do that with Rodney, (only leaving him with a crippled ability to have a close relationship with a woman?)) So, the father probably wasn’t physically abusive but could be that psychologically, and where Sheppard chose rebellion and even more abuse, Rodney chose compliance and approvement, but approvement of an endlessly insufficient sort, i.e., very good son, but you can and should do more, strive for more, be perfect for me – you don’t want to be the failure your mother obviously wants you to be? And if there were any imperfections – from feeling unhappy to being a disliked weirdo, Rodney suppressed that real hard. (His overeating is absolutely what Sheppard suggests in passing for hom, which is seeking comfort and compensating for the barren emotional landscape of his childhood and the endless stress – he couldn’t express and complain about it, so he found a bad coping mechanism. Oh, and the way he complains about his father reading him Moby Dick and giving him nightmares – as a child with way too active imagination and already unstable mental health, of course his father probably saw him as weak and not manly enough and needing to be introduced to ‘proper’ boy literature and examples of manly behavior. With the best intentions, of course, so Rodney wouldn’t be bullied and ridiculed in the future, but results were the opposite.)
As for mommy issues – idk, could she, perhaps, be blonde and very smart? :) And with women, is he searching for mommy’s approval and acceptance – something she forgot to give him, too busy fighting with his father? (Also, the ‘hated each other, blamed me’ notion – did they just hate each other on principle or did a genius child uncover some hidden problems? Were the parents both scientists? Did mom, like Jeannie, realise she wanted a family life rather than a hardcore career and Rodney’s father despised that waste of talent, like Rodney despised Jeannie’s choice, which he basically learned from his dad? And his mom tried to raise him as a normal kid but his dad never let that happen and only caved in a bit with Jeannie, maybe already too tired of all the fighting or thinking as a girl, Jeannie will end up like her mom anyway, so why try? So, mom won with Jeannie and calmed down, leaving Rodney as a lost cause, but he still wanted her approval but felt like she hates him just like she hates his dad, and as a teenager, that really messed him up, making him feel extra unloved and wrong, and on one hand, brilliant women intimidate him but on the other, he wants to be noticed and appreciated by them.
Oh, and that weird issue with male authority figures that I addressed earlier? Where he in the same time can’t stand them but also doesn’t object too much – so, evidently, Rodney realizes very well his father was an asshole and fucked him up big time, but then again, authority is still authority and has to be obeyed. That’s also interesting in relation to Sheppard, who is an equal technically but de-facto in charge and Rodney, while demonstrating his displeasure, accepts it a lot easier than in all other cases. Sheppard, he can obey – hell, he comes to Sheppard to ask for a fucking permission to go be eaten by Todd to save his own fucking sister (he doesn’t really obey in the end, but he still asks). Like, if your only and closest relative is dying and you can save them by committing a suicide, whose fucking business it is? You just go and do it. But nope, Rodney comes to Sheppard first – and yeah, it can be on some subconscious level a cry for help, i.e., we always save each other, now it’s your turn, I’m all out of options, do something! But Rodney also does consider Sheppard to be an authority to count with – maybe on a closer to the surface level he wanted Sheppard to say ‘yes, that’s very brave of you Rodney, you’re a real man now’, i.e., approve of his choice and confirm he’s doing everything right – cos Rodney needs that reference point, and Sheppard is the paragon of the ‘right’ behavior for him, moral, professional and befitting a man and a leader (re: Doranda).
/// In early s3, when everyone tries to save Sheppard from Kolya and Todd unsuccessfully, Sheppard specifically addresses Rodney with the sarcastic ‘thanks for showing up’. XD
I mean, Rodney indicates it in s2 that they must always save each other specifically, but Sheppard’s always being general about it (even earlier in this ep), saying his people will come for him. But it would appear Sheppard too thinks he and Rodney have an exclusive saving deal. :)
/// Rodney, curiously, is always scared and never scared in the same time. XD As in, getting into highly dubious places and poking them with a stick? Kalm. Something goes south predictably? Panik! Shit has to be done or else? Kalm. His solution doesn’t work? Panik! XD And for all his ‘here’s a ten-page presentation on what can (and will) go wrong’, he never conisders that maybe getting onboard abandoned mysterious structures is unwise, for examples. He’s curious and he has to check it out, no time to think about safety! (And Sheppard’s really of no help because he’s curious too and unlike Rodney, is always willing to commit an act of suicidal heroism. So, at times, it’s one is panicking and the other’s committing a suicide and they only manage to steer into the clear cos of some sheer dumb luck or outside help.)
/// Yep, the sсript and the actual show had little to do with each other. :D
Pluse I have read multiple places that in an interview at some point Joe admited to being behind McShep and played up their scenes on purpose.
So, Sheppard’s jealousy is actual jealousy and Rodney’s mancrush is an actual mancrush. Because there’s a cool narrative rule that says ‘show don’t tell’ and we believe in what we see, not what is told and then not proven.
Also, whether that's specific acting choices or writing choices composing that way, but Hewlett always played whatever was put into the sсript, always and likely to the letter, but in such a way that he still remained, well, Rodney.
So when there are supposed to be romance and feelings, they’re there, sure, but what’s also there, is the entire Rodney’s fucked-upness, and you can’t help but wonder, is this what he’s feeling or is this what he wants to feel/who he wants to be? That kinda really dampens the sincerity of feelings portrayed. So, his relationship with Katie, with (at) Sam, with Jennifer – it’s all about Rodney and not about them. Yeah, he tries sometimes and sort of takes interest in them and what they're like as a person, but he’s visibly making an effort to be interested. And Rodney can be not self-centered with other people and only when he tries to get the girl it becomes about him, because evidently, getting the girl is an issue and has nothing to do with any particular girl but with the action of getting itself. What comes afterwards – keeping the girl, maintaining a relationship, working on that relationship, adjusting his life and making compromises, having shared goals and shared everything – I’m pretty fucking sure Rodney never thought about any of that. Whatever he managed to have with Jennifer in the alt!future was born out of losing everything else and having no options, and it was too short-lived to make any conclusions about Rodney’s ability to maintain a relationship with Jennifer or any other girl.
In other words, the way Rodney was initially written and then portrayed really interfered with all the later insertions about his love life. Everything we’ve learned about Rodney before s5 says he cannot have a long, happy, normal relationship with Jennifer – but that he… no, not even can have, but does have one with Sheppard. Whoops, wrong development! XD
18.05.2021 в 22:58
Всё прочла - так много всего интересного, что даже не знаю, как комментировать ))
Очень интересно было про Джона и его отношения с отцом/армией - вот эта классная идея, что он бунтовал против того, что навязывал отец, и при этом пошёл работать в сферу, где по умолчанию навязывают сверху - и он там опять бунтует, и опять ждёт наказания. И что он потом становится спокойнее на эту тему и меньше уже бодается со старшими офицерами - это правда ведь (видимо, он всё-таки смог преодолеть хотя бы частично травму?).
more sexual tension in a scene where a draft ruffles Jack’s hair and he knows it’s his dead bff Daniel, than in a whole well-written sex scene with McShep
вот это классно сказано ))))
Teyla should be Daniel, the negotiator of the team with the cultural knowledge and a serene mindset, and Rodney should be Sam
Мне казалось, что Тейла всё-таки больше Сэм, потому что она воин, а Родни и Дэниел всё-таки оба гражданские учёные. Но тут да, всё более запутано, чем в параллелях Джон-Джек и Ронон-Тилк.
(And Jack would SO be his father-figure if he was around
Да! И во время тех редких общих сцен, которые у них есть, Джон не бодается с Джеком так, как он обычно бодается с другими вышестоящими офицерами - видно, что он его уважает. И Джек как отцовская фигура очень пошёл бы на пользу джоновским комплексам, потому что Джек очень принимающий, понимающий и не наказывающий "родитель", то есть, как я понимаю, именно то, чего Джону не хватало.
И мне жаль, что у Джека практически нет сцен с Валой - мне кажется, что он в итоге и её бы "удочерил" )) (с другой стороны, можно сказать, что по отношению к Вале родительские функции Джека частично перехватил Дэниел).
Whenever Rodney says something with innuendo unwittingly (like his toy car’s shaft needing lubrication, or penetrating Replicators’ city) Sheppard always picks up on it and sideyes him real hard
Надо же, никогда не замечала этого! ))))
everyone addresses McShep as ‘Rodney’ and ‘Sheppard’. ‘Rodney’ and ‘John’ is also common, on occasion it’s ‘Sheppard’ and ‘McKay’, but I’ve never seen ‘John’ and ‘McKay’
Прикольно )) Я сама говорю Шеппард и Родни обычно - потому что Джон, ну, Джонов много разных бывает, Шеппард как-то более звучно, а Родни и без того звучно и необычно
18.05.2021 в 23:52
видимо, он всё-таки смог преодолеть хотя бы частично травму?
Они там все для себя что-то преодолевают, к счастью, хотя суицидальность у Шеппарда очень слабо поддаётся обработке)
Я не помню, там были намёки, что он к Хайтмайер ходил мозги вправлять? А то он Тейлу послал к ней, а сам?!
Мне казалось, что Тейла всё-таки больше Сэм, потому что она воин, а Родни и Дэниел всё-таки оба гражданские учёные.
Технически, Тейла тоже гражданская))) Ну они могли просто не предлагать параллели в каноне и оставить все ассоциации на совесть зрителей. Нахрена было вообще так тяжеловесно эти моменты прописывать?
родительские функции Джека частично перехватил Дэниел
Кстати да! Думаешь, у Дэниэла это нормально выходит? А то в моём представлении он слабо подходит на родительскую роль, особенно для Валы, но я про это не думала)))
Надо же, никогда не замечала этого!
там момента три или четыре с этим innuendo, и Родни каждый раз "ачоятакого сказал????" XD Похожее есть, кстати, в СГ-1 с Сэм! Когда Родни невнятно говорит что он хотел стать 'pianist', а Сэм переспрашивает "кем-кем?" XD
Шеппард как-то более звучно
в каком-то фике это было, Родни думал, мол, Шеппард такой один, а Джонов много, и ему "Джон" не идёт, слишком generic)) Но мне нравится, когда Родни его Джоном зовёт в каноне, he makes it sound special)))
19.05.2021 в 23:11
Мне кажется, что не ходил. По-моему, он искренне убеждён, что ему это не нужно )))
Технически, Тейла тоже гражданская))) Ну они могли просто не предлагать параллели в каноне и оставить все ассоциации на совесть зрителей. Нахрена было вообще так тяжеловесно эти моменты прописывать?
Может, хотели нажать посильнее на аудиторию СГ-1 в плане "это почти как там, вот смотрите, смотрите"?
Кстати да! Думаешь, у Дэниэла это нормально выходит? А то в моём представлении он слабо подходит на родительскую роль, особенно для Валы, но я про это не думала)))
Ну, он пытается - он как-то с самого начала явно решил, что она под его ответственностью, и пытается заботиться о ней (в своей манере) немного так свысока, как мне кажется. Выходит у него так себе - и там много довольно раздражающих меня моментов, когда он буквально затыкает ей рот, отбирает у неё вещи, раздражённо разговаривает с ней, ну и финальная его истерика, конечно, показывает, что ему самому ещё нужно мозги вправлять серьёзно ))) Но иногда ему удаётся достучаться до неё - как когда она память теряла, например, и она благодарна ему даже за такую заботу, потому что обычно всем на неё совсем пофиг, а тут хоть как-то не пофиг...
Но мне нравится, когда Родни его Джоном зовёт в каноне, he makes it sound special)))
Это да
19.05.2021 в 23:40
По-моему, он искренне убеждён, что ему это не нужно )))
Ага))) Я допускаю, что он прошаренный в психоанализе и знает все свои проблемы - и высокомерно думает, что у него всё под контролем. Придурок)))
Может, хотели нажать посильнее на аудиторию СГ-1
Вероятно! Хотя в 4-5 сезонах позновато уже было на аудиторию СГ-1 влиять.
Выходит у него так себе - и там много довольно раздражающих меня моментов
Ну вот да. Мне как-то всю дорогу за Валу обидно было, особенно из-за Дэниела - если остальным вообще пофиг и ну и ладно уже, то ему вроде как не пофиг, но он так криво это выражает, что хотелось ему врезать иногда))) Взялся - соответствуй!)))
20.05.2021 в 19:16
Скорее всего )) Ну или имел негативный опыт и считает, что это не помогает.
Хотя в 4-5 сезонах позновато уже было на аудиторию СГ-1 влиять.
Ну как раз закончился 10 сезон СГ1 и надо было загнать народ в Атлантиду - поставили во главу экспедиции Сэм, подогнали Тилка.
Мне ему тоже хотелось врезать, ага ))) Но как бы там - боялся, что снова сделают больно, бла-бла-бла... В общем, да, плохо он старался.